Sheriff's just entered friends house while she was in shower

[rrobello]

Just a few minutes ago, she was in the shower and there was knocking on the bathroom door. 2 men, claiming they were from the sheriff's department said they were investigating the disappearance of some teenage girl that is supposedly friends with her little sister but she has no clue as to who they are talking about. She didnt get their names nor badges cuz she was wrapped in a towel and wanted them to leave.

no one was home except her baby daughter and they let themselves in.

who should she be calling to complain? Im guessing starting at the sheriffs office....

[domin8]

were they real sheriff at all?

[rrobello]

Im trying to get all the info I can right now from her, she says they were asking questions about this girl and they left on their own accord

[rrobello]

ok it looks like they did show up and did enter uninvited. the sgt's name is Goggin and this is the girl they are looking for:

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&LanguageCountry=en_US&searchLang=en_US&caseLang=en_US&orgPrefix=NCMC&caseNum=1145635&seqNum=1

[...]

She can always call the department and ask if it was legit. If they were legit they may/should have at least let their dispatch know where they were......

[mjmorgan169v]

or do that other thing, knock.

[mjmorgan169v]

side not, i hope that kids a runaway and not something else.

[rrobello]

I called to confirm, the Sgt was there at the station when I was on the phone with the dispatcher. They did knock but didnt get a response since she was in the shower, they then entered and knocked on her bathroom door. The sheriffs station wants her to file a complaint WITH THE SGT WHO ENTERED!! That seems counter productive to me.

[domin8]

I called to confirm, the Sgt was there at the station when I was on the phone with the dispatcher. They did knock but didnt get a response since she was in the shower, they then entered and knocked on her bathroom door. The sheriffs station wants her to file a complaint WITH THE SGT WHO ENTERED!! That seems counter productive to me.

yeah thats how they cover their asses. there is a paper complaint form she can file at the station. soemtimes the people working at the front will say there isnt one, or that you need to tell them what the complaint is and they'll pass it on, but get the paper form and fill that out.. policeabuse.org did an investigation a while ago on that.

[domin8]

why havent we heard from this girl on the news yet?

[MMCTSV]

I get that she was scared/irritated about them walking in on her. That being said, if my daughter was the one missing, I'd expect the police dept to go into anyone's place they felt could help find my daughter, even if it meant causing someone some irritation or panic.

[rrobello]

thanks for the info, if they dont fix this shit, Ill call my contacts at the news and forward this to anyone who is willing to listen.

I dont know why she hasnt appeared on the news yet.

[domin8]

I get that she was scared/irritated about them walking in on her. That being said, if my daughter was the one missing, I'd expect the police dept to go into anyone's place they felt could help find my daughter, even if it meant causing someone some irritation or panic.

or violating their rights? its a huge leap from 'checking her friends house' and invading their private property. if she isn't a suspect and they are suspecting runaway and not kidnapping i think they overstepped their bounds big time. Especially knocking on a bathroom door when you can hear a shower running. hrm, i wonder what is going on in there.

[rrobello]

I get that she was scared/irritated about them walking in on her. That being said, if my daughter was the one missing, I'd expect the police dept to go into anyone's place they felt could help find my daughter, even if it meant causing someone some irritation or panic.

we have this thing called a constitution and laws, they cant enter without a warrant or probable cause. Her sister knowing the girl isnt probable cause or else they wouldve come with a warrant since this was knowledge they had prior to showing up; especially since her sister doesnt live there.

what if the girl was there and she had been hurt or killed? their entering without cause or warrant would let those responsible completely off the hook.

[midnite]

I get that she was scared/irritated about them walking in on her. That being said, if my daughter was the one missing, I'd expect the police dept to go into anyone's place they felt could help find my daughter, even if it meant causing someone some irritation or panic.

um fuck that, they have absolutely no reason to go into a house uninvited without a warrant

[mjmorgan169v]

this chick sounds like more of a run away, prolly why there isnt any media attention. but i agree, unless shes a suspect, they shouldnt have entered. good initiative, bad judgement.

[VP_07SRT8]

also a good idea is to lock the door....

[Ramathorn]

go to station and place them under citizen's arrest for trespassing.

[domin8]

go to station and place them under citizen's arrest for trespassing.

lol

[MMCTSV]

Agreed they may have over stepped their boundaries, but I think the popo often gets a bad wrap regardless of what they do. Since we're making assumptions because no one knows the entire situation here, let's say the runaway girl was in the house and was being held against her will. The police knocked, but no one answered so they left. I bet there would be a bigger backlashing about them not finding her in time, etc.

[GroverDill]

also a good idea is to lock the door....


no one was home except her baby daughter and they let themselves in.




Door locks, use them.

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this chick sounds like more of a run away, prolly why there isnt any media attention. But i agree, unless shes a suspect, they shouldnt have entered. Good initiative, bad judgement.

+1

[rrobello]

I dont know why her door was unlocked, that's a separate thing that I bitched at her for lol. but this doesnt change the fact that they should not and can not legally enter.

and back to the "what if the girl was in there" scenario, like I said, they would do her an injustice in that by entering whoever caused her harm would get away with it because NOTHING would be admissible in court. If she were in there alive, being held against her they would still need some kind of sign that even slightly hinted at that, not the quiet sound of a shower running. They couldve waited until the shower stopped to try knocking again.

the reason cops get a bad wrap is because of bad cops like this. it taints the entire public image.

[El Jefe]

http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC1145635c1.jpg

Wow

[domin8]

http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC1145635c1.jpg

Wow

shes 15 faggot

[VaderGT]

Pics of Said Girl in Towel???:boost2:

[mjmorgan169v]

seriously, it would counteract the guilt that i just inadvertnently checked out a 15 year old.

[rrobello]

I wasnt there foo!

[mjmorgan169v]

so work on it. fuck you can link it from autoblog if you want to.

[DarkGT]

This is precisely why I shower with my 12 gauge and my cell phone. Anyone knocks on the bathroom door, without calling first, when I know I am home alone takes a slug through the door.

I second Solrac, police need to realize that they aren't above the law. You can place anyone under citizens arrest, at that point the responding law enforcement agency has to take a report I think.

Click here for procedure (http://www.ehow.com/how_4505960_make-citizens-arrest-california.html)

[Philc]

it was Obamas malitia. I'd try callig him

[El Jefe]

shes 15 faggot

Not for long

My b....Definitely not the situation to be making jokes

[Slightly Dangerous]

thats B&E, not just trespassing. no warrant, no probable cause. sue the shit out of the dept. maybe theyll learn a lesson.

its all fun and games until you fuck around and walk unannounced into the wrong house.

[EvilC]

Door open = no breaking.

[Slightly Dangerous]

Door open = no breaking.

didnt say it was open. just not locked. B&E doesnt exactly mean that they have to actually break something.

[EvilC]

Force is required for breaking to stick. Opening unlocked door isn't b&e homeboy.

[Slightly Dangerous]

Force is required for breaking to stick. Opening unlocked door isn't b&e homeboy.

no it isnt. i happen to have a college degree in this subject.


Breaking can be either actual, such as by forcing open a door, or constructive, such as by fraud or threats.[4] Breaking does not require that anything be "broken" in terms of physical damage occurring. A person who has permission to enter part of a house, but not another part, commits a breaking and entering when they use any means to enter a room where they are not permitted, so long as the room was not open to enter.
Entering can involve either physical entry by a person or the insertion of an instrument with which to remove property. Insertion of a tool to gain entry may not constitute entering by itself.[4] It is generally required at common law that entry occurs as a consequence of the breaking.[7] For example, if a wrongdoer partially opened a window by using a pry bar and then noticed an open door through which he entered the dwelling, there is no burglary at common law.[7][8] The use of the pry bar would not constitute an entry even if a portion of the prybar "entered" the residence. Under the instrumentality rule the use of an instrument to effect a breaking would not constitute an entry. However, if any part of the perpetrator's body entered the residence in an attempt to gain entry, the instrumentality rule did not apply. Thus, if the perpetrator uses the prybar to pry open the window and then used his hands to lift the partially opened window, an "entry" would have taken place when he grasped the bottom of the window with his hand.[7][9]

[EvilC]

I happen to be on Westlaw. CA case law shows it to be much more technical. If you have a JD I'll assume you perused Westlaw first and saw how judges see it...

This chick ain't gettin shit if she sues, that's my legal opinion. Total waste of money and time . =D

[Benny92LX]

is breaking my foot into your ass considered breaking and endering?

[Slightly Dangerous]

I happen to be on Westlaw. CA case law shows it to be much more technical.

case law gets into interpretation, but the simple facts are its entry by any means, whether forced or not, without consent or probable cause as applies to LE.

[EvilC]

is breaking my foot into your ass considered breaking and endering?

It is considered as murder of the enterer.

[EvilC]

Westlaw cases summarize, for such a charge to stick:

All that is currently required is that you enter a building (or other specified enclosure) with the intent to commit a theft or felony once inside.

So, she needs to prove that the officers intended to commit a theft or felony. B&E isn't really a charge, just a definition which correlates to burglary. It's in PC 459c:

Every person who enters any house, room, apartment, tenement, shop, warehouse, store, mill, barn, stable, outhouse or other building, tent, vessel, as defined in Section 21 of the Harbors and Navigation Code, floating home, as defined in subdivision (d) of
Section 18075.55 of the Health and Safety Code, railroad car, locked or sealed cargo container, whether or not mounted on a vehicle, trailer coach, as defined in Section 635 of the Vehicle Code, any house car, as defined in Section 362 of the Vehicle Code, inhabited camper, as defined in Section 243 of the Vehicle Code, vehicle as defined by the Vehicle Code, when the doors are locked, aircraft as defined by Section 21012 of the Public Utilities Code, or mine or any underground portion thereof, with intent to commit grand or petit larceny or any felony is guilty of burglary."


I guess she can complain, but she sure as hell doesn't have a case. There was no crime.

[Slightly Dangerous]

Westlaw cases summarize, for such a charge to stick:



So, she needs to prove that the officers intended to commit a theft or felony.

intent may be a bit hard to prove.... and it has been a while since Ive studied this stuff, but Im fairly sure there is part of B&E that doesnt require that.

however, Im fairly certain thats not standard departmental procedure. so there is some recourse Im sure.

[EvilC]

The way Richard explains it, I think the Deputy's felt they were on the trail and were trying to do a good thing, not harass someone.

[Slightly Dangerous]

its called inchoate crime.

alot of it swings on mens rea, which will be impossible to prove, the best youll be able to do is a slap on the wrist of the officers who made a bad judgement call.




and there was a crime......a cop entering your house without permission or probable cause is a crime.

[EvilC]

No crime.

Exigent Circumstances: A judge may uphold an officer’s warrantless search or seizure if "exigent circumstances" exist. Exigent circumstances were described by one court as "an emergency situation requiring swift action to prevent imminent danger to life or serious damage to property, or to forestall the imminent escape of a suspect or destruction of evidence."

I think there were such here. Let's see what happens! Richard will take this all the way to the US Supreme Court!

[Jon Burgundy]

I woulda popped a cap in dat ass! Reverse failure drill training!

Ok not really. I would have been seriously pissed off though. Cops aren't allowed to just waltz in bc nobody answered when they knocked without probably cause or a warrant. If I were her I would make a big deal of it, regardless of getting any money.

That being said slap that ho and tell her to lock the fucking door. Sex crimes are bad enough without providing perps easy access.

[Jon Burgundy]

No crime.

Exigent Circumstances: A judge may uphold an officer’s warrantless search or seizure if "exigent circumstances" exist. Exigent circumstances were described by one court as "an emergency situation requiring swift action to prevent imminent danger to life or serious damage to property, or to forestall the imminent escape of a suspect or destruction of evidence."

I think there were such here. Let's see what happens! Richard will take this all the to the US Supreme Court!

That still falls under probably cause. Either they had it or they didn't, but at the very least they should have to explain themselves.

[Ramathorn]

No crime.

Exigent Circumstances: A judge may uphold an officer’s warrantless search or seizure if "exigent circumstances" exist. Exigent circumstances were described by one court as "an emergency situation requiring swift action to prevent imminent danger to life or serious damage to property, or to forestall the imminent escape of a suspect or destruction of evidence."

I think there were such here. Let's see what happens! Richard will take this all the to the US Supreme Court!

Haha, nice try. Maybe good-faith exception though.

[mjmorgan169v]

what the fuck, pics or close thread.

[Slightly Dangerous]

No crime.

Exigent Circumstances: A judge may uphold an officer’s warrantless search or seizure if "exigent circumstances" exist. Exigent circumstances were described by one court as "an emergency situation requiring swift action to prevent imminent danger to life or serious damage to property, or to forestall the imminent escape of a suspect or destruction of evidence."

I think there were such here. Let's see what happens! Richard will take this all the way to the US Supreme Court!


exigent circumstances STILL require some form of probable cause. an LEO cant just flip coins and enter a random house.

there MUST be a reason he is going into that house....i.e.....he heard gunshots coming from the home, smelled pot thru the window, heard someone screaming inside, actually SAW the missing girl go into that residence.....etc. he cant just walk up to any house and go hey, the doors unlocked lets go right in and just see if MAYBE shes in here.

[EvilC]

Does anyone think we have the whole story here?

[rrobello]

hahaha if it happened to me I would pursue this to the fullest extent. I would have the media all over this in a heart beat if it were my call and make sure that not only were these cops careers ended but that they were fully embarrassed publicly and whatever else I could do to them. This did not even happen to me and I am extremely pissed off.

there was no exigent circumstances here, the girl has been missing for a day, if they are acting on the idea that its a runaway then there is no inherent danger to her that can be assumed, there was no screams or anything unusual coming from her place to lead the officers to believe that if they didnt enter immediately something bad was going to happen. They admitted to being able to hear the shower running from outside and that was the reason they entered. They could have waited to ask her questions until after she answered the door since they clearly couldve made the logical assumption that the reason no one was answering was because they were in the shower. The missing girl being friends with her younger sister does not lead to the conclusion that she was hiding there; especially since her sister does NOT live with her.

[Slightly Dangerous]

exigent circumstances means I cant wait for a judge to issue a search warrant, i have probable cause that someone is in danger in that structure and must enter to save a life.

[EvilC]

hahaha if it happened to me I would pursue this to the fullest extent. I would have the media all over this in a heart beat if it were my call and make sure that not only were these cops careers ended but that they were fully embarrassed publicly and whatever else I could do to them. This did not even happen to me and I am extremely pissed off.



How would you have time to lead the fight against Obama if you were sidetracked like that?

[Jon Burgundy]

How would you have time to lead the fight against Obama if you were sidetracked like that?

Multi-tasking FTW.


And of course we don't have the full story. Like if his friend was in the towel then who was in the shower with the 15 year old?

[Ramathorn]

If it's there good-faith exception might be there.

He approached the door to investigate the possible abduction of a child. The communities growing concern over missing individuals, specifically younger aged white females has increased over the past few months. As he knocked on the door he heard a child of tender years crying and knocking on the door from the inside.

The deputy attempted multiple times to engage anyone inside of the residence through substantial knocking with his hand and flashlight. After his failed attempts to communicate with anyone inside of the door, he felt it reasonable to check on the welfare of the child.

He opened the unlocked front door and found it unusual no adults were inside of the home with the young child. He heard the shower running and grew concerned based on the circumstances. He thought it would be unusual for an adult or parents to leave their child alone in an unlocked home. The deputy checked on the welfare of the person in the shower to ensure everyone was safe and no one needed medical assistance.

Child negligence investigation.. perhaps?

[rrobello]

Does anyone think we have the whole story here?

I made sure to grill my friend thoroughly and repeatedly asked the same questions before taking any action so as the story was 100% clear from her stand point as to what happened. Even after asking later, the answers were still the same and I have absolutely no reason to not believe her.

As for the backstory with the missing girl and why they were at her house to begin with, I have no clue. She doesnt know the girl, her sister doesnt live there, and there is no info on the news about her.

She is filing a formal complaint and has consulted a family attorney on what to do. Needless to say being interrupted unexpectedly from her shower and being questioned in a towel upset her.

[EvilC]

Is she ashamed of her body? Any pics?

[Jon Burgundy]

If it's there good-faith exception might be there.

He approached the door to investigate the possible abduction of a child. The communities growing concern over missing individuals, specifically younger aged white females has increased over the past few months. As he knocked on the door he heard a child of tender years crying and knocking on the door from the inside.

The deputy attempted multiple times to engage anyone inside of the residence through substantial knocking with his hand and flashlight. After his failed attempts to communicate with anyone inside of the door, he felt it reasonable to check on the welfare of the child.

He opened the unlocked front door and found it unusual no adults were inside of the home with the young child. He heard the shower running and grew concerned based on the circumstances. He thought it would be unusual for an adult or parents to leave their child alone in an unlocked home. The deputy checked on the welfare of the person in the shower to ensure everyone was safe and no one needed medical assistance.

Child negligence investigation.. perhaps?

Have you been called a moron today?

[Jon Burgundy]

I made sure to grill my friend thoroughly and repeatedly asked the same questions before taking any action so as the story was 100% clear from her stand point as to what happened. Even after asking later, the answers were still the same and I have absolutely no reason to not believe her.

As for the backstory with the missing girl and why they were at her house to begin with, I have no clue. She doesnt know the girl, her sister doesnt live there, and there is no info on the news about her.

She is filing a formal complaint and has consulted a family attorney on what to do. Needless to say being interrupted unexpectedly from her shower and being questioned in a towel upset her.

I'd grill her too. Is there a landing strip, or is that taco bald? Wax or shave? Is the door locked you idiot?!?!

[GroverDill]

and has consulted a family attorney on what to do.


No need for the attorney, LOCK THE FUCKING DOOR! She may fuck around and have people ask why she leaves her, as you put it, baby daughter alone in a unlocked house while she is behind closed doors in the shower.

[EvilC]

No need for the attorney, LOCK THE FUCKING DOOR! She may fuck around and have people ask why she leaves her, as you put it, baby daughter alone in a unlocked house while she is behind closed doors in the shower.

No shit, who wants that attention. I'm gonna git those damn pigs for violatin mah civil rights!!!!! Don't worry bout no damn details of mah baby sittin in da open house while I showah!

I arm the fuckin alarm in the morning when Alie is sleeping and I take a shower.

[Ramathorn]

Have you been called a moron today?

:facepalm:

[Slightly Dangerous]

If it's there good-faith exception might be there.

He approached the door to investigate the possible abduction of a child. The communities growing concern over missing individuals, specifically younger aged white females has increased over the past few months. As he knocked on the door he heard a child of tender years crying and knocking on the door from the inside.

The deputy attempted multiple times to engage anyone inside of the residence through substantial knocking with his hand and flashlight. After his failed attempts to communicate with anyone inside of the door, he felt it reasonable to check on the welfare of the child.

He opened the unlocked front door and found it unusual no adults were inside of the home with the young child. He heard the shower running and grew concerned based on the circumstances. He thought it would be unusual for an adult or parents to leave their child alone in an unlocked home. The deputy checked on the welfare of the person in the shower to ensure everyone was safe and no one needed medical assistance.

Child negligence investigation.. perhaps?


they were looking for a 15 yr old girl.


its a baby in the house. they dont sound the same. even if the baby was crying, that isnt exigent circumstances. thats normal. they had no reason to believe the 15 yr old girl was there. so they have no probably cause, and entered the residence illegally.

if they REALLY wanted to talk to richards friend that bad they could have announced themselves as police officers externally next to the window with the shower running and could ask politely if she would mind answering some questions and getting dressed, without walking in unannounced.

they didnt even speak once they got inside, the first she knew they were there was when they opened the bathroom door. if it was my house they would have both taken rounds at that point.

I also wouldnt have left the door unlocked.

[Jon Burgundy]

:facepalm:

:rofl:

[rrobello]

How would you have time to lead the fight against Obama if you were sidetracked like that?

I would use it to thrust myself onto a national stage to take on Obama one on one!!! lol

Multi-tasking FTW.


And of course we don't have the full story. Like if his friend was in the towel then who was in the shower with the 15 year old?

lol

If it's there good-faith exception might be there.

He approached the door to investigate the possible abduction of a child. The communities growing concern over missing individuals, specifically younger aged white females has increased over the past few months. As he knocked on the door he heard a child of tender years crying and knocking on the door from the inside.

The deputy attempted multiple times to engage anyone inside of the residence through substantial knocking with his hand and flashlight. After his failed attempts to communicate with anyone inside of the door, he felt it reasonable to check on the welfare of the child.

He opened the unlocked front door and found it unusual no adults were inside of the home with the young child. He heard the shower running and grew concerned based on the circumstances. He thought it would be unusual for an adult or parents to leave their child alone in an unlocked home. The deputy checked on the welfare of the person in the shower to ensure everyone was safe and no one needed medical assistance.

Child negligence investigation.. perhaps?

that makes no sense at all.

first, a history of unrelated missing teens in a closed, unrelated case does not get to legally leap to other case investigations without any confirmed connection. just because one idiot keeps speeding in his Mustang doesnt give the cops the right to start pulling over all Mustangs.

second, that case is closed and they have someone who admitted to doing it in custody

third a crying baby, which there wasnt one, isnt a missing 15 yr old girl

more so, a shower does not draw a reasonable conclusion that something is wrong, nor does hearing the shower mean that no one is home, quite the opposite. and if that had been the reason he entered then he wouldve addressed my friend upon knocking on the bathroom door by asking if everything was alright and showing concern over said child; none of which occurred.

none of which gives him any reason to open a closed door in the first place.

[EvilC]

they were looking for a 15 yr old girl.


its a baby in the house. they dont sound the same. even if the baby was crying, that isnt exigent circumstances. thats normal. they had no reason to believe the 15 yr old girl was there. so they have no probably cause, and entered the residence illegally.

if they REALLY wanted to talk to richards friend that bad they could have announced themselves as police officers externally next to the window with the shower running and could ask politely if she would mind answering some questions and getting dressed, without walking in unannounced.

they didnt even speak once they got inside, the first she knew they were there was when they opened the bathroom door. if it was my house they would have both taken rounds at that point.

I also wouldnt have left the door unlocked.

damn you just took him right back to the Police Academy. Carlos, you're fired!

BTW Wally you are trained to check your targets right? When you saw the uniforms and no drawn weapons you'd still take the cops down?

[Ramathorn]

they were looking for a 15 yr old girl.


its a baby in the house. they dont sound the same. even if the baby was crying, that isnt exigent circumstances. thats normal. they had no reason to believe the 15 yr old girl was there. so they have no probably cause, and entered the residence illegally.

if they REALLY wanted to talk to richards friend that bad they could have announced themselves as police officers externally next to the window with the shower running and could ask politely if she would mind answering some questions and getting dressed, without walking in unannounced.

they didnt even speak once they got inside, the first she knew they were there was when they opened the bathroom door. if it was my house they would have both taken rounds at that point.

I also wouldnt have left the door unlocked.

I'm not defending anyone's actions, I just find the discussion interesting. That said, exigent circumstances isn't even a possibility here. I'm talking about the good-faith exception. The case they're investigating would have nothing to do with it. It's the welfare check of the child inside.

[rrobello]

No need for the attorney, LOCK THE FUCKING DOOR! She may fuck around and have people ask why she leaves her, as you put it, baby daughter alone in a unlocked house while she is behind closed doors in the shower.

there is no law against leaving the door unlocked despite it may not being a smart idea. the daughter was awake and in the bathroom with her as she had been getting ready for the day, sorry I didnt mention that. Still doesnt mean you shouldnt lock the door. But locked door or no, they cant enter the house and laws are suppose to protect people inside their homes so that locks arent necessary, not the other way around; especially not meant to have to keep cops out.

[Slightly Dangerous]

I'm not defending anyone's actions, I just find the discussion interesting. That said, exigent circumstances isn't even a possibility here. I'm talking about the good-faith exception. The case they're investigating would have nothing to do with it. It's the welfare check of the child inside.

youre child welfare argument doesnt hold water. they didnt know there was a child inside until they entered illegally.

cant put the cart before the horse buddy.

[EvilC]

I just leave 12 lbs of Krispy Kremes and Jimmy Dean breakfast sausages at my door. A warrant can't even get the cops in.

[rrobello]

I'm not defending anyone's actions, I just find the discussion interesting. That said, exigent circumstances isn't even a possibility here. I'm talking about the good-faith exception. The case they're investigating would have nothing to do with it. It's the welfare check of the child inside.

youre assuming there was a crying baby inside, there wasnt!

[Ramathorn]

youre child welfare argument doesnt hold water. they didnt know there was a child inside until they entered illegally.

cant put the cart before the horse buddy.

How do you know what they knew prior to entering?

[Slightly Dangerous]

damn you just took him right back to the Police Academy. Carlos, you're fired!

BTW Wally you are trained to check your targets right? When you saw the uniforms and no drawn weapons you'd still take the cops down?



PID is an integral part of being a heads up operator.

however, unless the first thing coming through that door is a badge, accompanied by the words police officer, then yes, that door is taking a mags worth of hollow points center mass. I dont necessarily trust uniforms or badges for that matter. anyone can buy them on Galls. at the very least theyre getting drawn down on.

[rrobello]

How do you know what they knew prior to entering?

they knew there was a 15 yr old girl missing, probably a good hunch on whether or not she was kidnapped or a runaway, they knew the 15yr old was friends with my friend's sister, they somehow had her address, they knew the door was shut and that a shower was running. beyond that I dont see how they couldve known anything more since nothing they were looking for was actually there, therefore there was nothing that could lead them to conclude there was a reason to enter.

you see this is really simple since we get to look at this with hindsight and the known outcome of their search; doesnt take a genius. lol

[EvilC]

PID is an integral part of being a heads up operator.

however, unless the first thing coming through that door is a badge, accompanied by the words police officer, then yes, that door is taking a mags worth of hollow points center mass. I dont necessarily trust uniforms or badges for that matter. anyone can buy them on Galls. at the very least theyre getting drawn down on.

What if a woman was running from an attacker and burst into your house? Shoot first ask questions later is not the correct response. This isn't Iraq and you cannot "operate" here as you may do on a mission.

[GroverDill]

Her side
Cops side
The truth

3 sides to the story, and I bet any judge will favor the cops.

[EvilC]

Her side
Cops side
The truth

3 sides to the story, and I bet any judge will favor the cops.

You forgot the 4th side:

rrobello.

Cops = pwned.

[Ramathorn]

damn you just took him right back to the Police Academy. Carlos, you're fired!

BTW Wally you are trained to check your targets right? When you saw the uniforms and no drawn weapons you'd still take the cops down?

Haha. I'm introducing doubt into the situation.

It also seems to happen in trials. What would I know though? :bigsmile:

[Slightly Dangerous]

What if a woman was running from an attacker and burst into your house? Shoot first ask questions later is not the correct response. This isn't Iraq and you cannot "operate" here as you may do on a mission.

now youre going into what if scenarios. which are good when realistic. however, if that were the case, it would have to be a damn strong woman to "burst" into my house and she would be making alot of noise, probably screaming help me, breaking windows...etc.


theres logical circumstances to different scenarios that would illicit different outcomes.


and when it is my own home and someone illegally enters it, youre damn right youre probably getting rounds coming at you.

that last remark is insuating that I operate with a cavalier attitude in country. Its not a free for all.

[EvilC]

CA doesn't have a castle doctrine. If you just shoot someone for entering illegally and can't justify self defense, you're probably going to jail.

[rrobello]

Her side
Cops side
The truth

3 sides to the story, and I bet any judge will favor the cops.

no faith in a judge doing the right thing? besides so far the cops arent denying they entered her house while she was in the shower uninvited

[Ramathorn]

they knew there was a 15 yr old girl missing, probably a good hunch on whether or not she was kidnapped or a runaway, they knew the 15yr old was friends with my friend's sister, they somehow had her address, they knew the door was shut and that a shower was running. beyond that I dont see how they couldve known anything more since nothing they were looking for was actually there, therefore there was nothing that could lead them to conclude there was a reason to enter.

you see this is really simple since we get to look at this with hindsight and the known outcome of their search; doesnt take a genius. lol

lol @ hindsight

I'll continue the discussion, I've got some time to spare.

1. The hindsight and outcome of the search / welfare check / what have you is irrelevant if the PC or reason for the entry is good.

2. Forget why the detectives/deputies initially approached the residence. Take 100 citizens and ask them if they feel it reasonable to leave a house unlocked, jump in the shower, close your door, and leave your young child unattended. Will a majority of those 100 citizens say it is unreasonable? If the answer is yes, then there is the good faith exception for entering the residence. The officer is in the majority and felt like checking the welfare of the child was appropriate, given the totality of circumstances.

Obviously, there are numerous questions the attorneys (if the D.A. were to issue). Did the officer hear the child crying and hitting the door? Who says the child wasn't frantically crying? The mother in the closed bathroom in the shower?

Again... just sparking some doubt into her MEGA BILLION lawsuit.

[EvilC]

no faith in a judge doing the right thing?

No, especially not in California.

[rrobello]

lol @ hindsight

I'll continue the discussion, I've got some time to spare.

1. The hindsight and outcome of the search / welfare check / what have you is irrelevant if the PC or reason for the entry is good.

2. Forget why the detectives/deputies initially approached the residence. Take 100 citizens and ask them if they feel it reasonable to leave a house unlocked, jump in the shower, close your door, and leave your young child unattended. Will a majority of those 100 citizens say it is unreasonable? If the answer is yes, then there is the good faith exception for entering the residence. The officer is in the majority and felt like checking the welfare of the child was appropriate, given the totality of circumstances.

Obviously, there are numerous questions the attorneys (if the D.A. were to issue). Did the officer hear the child crying and hitting the door? Who says the child wasn't frantically crying? The mother in the closed bathroom in the shower?

Again... just sparking some doubt into her MEGA BILLION lawsuit.

are you retarded?

they could NOT know the door was unlocked until they attempted to illegally enter

they could NOT have known there was a child in the house until they had illegally entered

they COULD here the shower running and thus can safely assume the reason no one is answering the door because they were in the fucking shower, not because they were killing or raping a 15 yr old, there is no logical connection there

they could NOT have heard a child screaming or crying because she WASNT!

the mother did know her daughter wasn't crying because she was in the bathroom with her

all of this Ive already stated, its why I mentioned the hindsight. Obviously the cops dont get to use hindsight, thats not what I was saying, I was stating that we know the facts of what happened because it has already happened and since we know the cops didnt find anything the conclusion can be reasonably drawn that there was absolutely nothing to give them any reason to believe someone was in harm inside. No one in harm = no signs of harm can exist....sheesh!

[Ramathorn]

are you retarded?

they could NOT know the door was unlocked until they attempted to illegally enter

they could NOT have known there was a child in the house until they had illegally entered

they COULD here the shower running and thus can safely assume the reason no one is answering the door because they were in the fucking shower, not because they were killing or raping a 15 yr old, there is no logical connection there

they could NOT have heard a child screaming or crying because she WASNT!

the mother did know her daughter wasn't crying because she was in the bathroom with her

all of this Ive already stated, its why I mentioned the hindsight. Obviously the cops dont get to use hindsight, thats not what I was saying, I was stating that we know the facts of what happened because it has already happened and since we know the cops didnt find anything the conclusion can be reasonably drawn that there was absolutely nothing to give them any reason to believe someone was in harm inside. No one in harm = no signs of harm can exist....sheesh!

I'm just offering some different ideas other than.. "omg arrest them" or "you can't do jack shit."

It's questions that will come up if she pursues it. I only read the initial post, which stated the child was inside of the residence. I didn't know the child was inside of the bathroom with the door closed.

As for the retarded part.. lolz @ u & internet.

[rrobello]

reading ownz!

try it sometime

EDIT: so you are admitting that you kept responding without reading what I wrote? cuz I repeatedly stated those facts. good grief!

[Ramathorn]

reading ownz!

try it sometime

If I posted a thread regarding an incident and the available recourse I would establish the pertinent facts from the get-go.

If you weren't so pretentious I'd enjoy your silliness.

[rrobello]

I gave all the pertinent facts, the baby was NOT crying, thats why there was no mention of a baby crying. There also werent any pterodactyls nor monster trucks in the house, should I have mentioned that along with everything that DID NOT happen assuming that you would automatically start making up possible scenarios that did not occur but could have?

[master_1011]

CA doesn't have a castle doctrine. If you just shoot someone for entering illegally and can't justify self defense, you're probably going to jail.

"California Penal Code § 198.5 sets forth that unlawful, forcible entry into one's residence by someone not a member of the household creates the presumption that the resident held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury should he or she use deadly force against the intruder. This would make the homicide justifiable under CPC § 197 . CALCRIM 506 gives the instruction, "A defendant is not required to retreat. He or she is entitled to stand his or her ground and defend himself or herself and, if reasonably necessary, to pursue an assailant until the danger has passed. This is so even if safety could have been achieved by retreating."

If someone comes into my house, they are leaving with a coroner.

[EvilC]

That isn't castle doctrine buddy.

CA case law:

"[People v. Ceballos] specifically held that burglaries which 'do not reasonably create a fear of great bodily harm' are not sufficient 'cause for exaction of human life.'”

PURE Castle Doctrine is they come in, you can kill them. CA is Stand Your Ground, which is weaker since you must prove you were facing great bodily harm or death.

Some geniuses here think you can just blow someone away if they enter your home. Enjoy prison unless you can prove the above. Don't give retarded advice to people. That's what makes States make asinine gun laws, because many gun owners have zero common sense and say stupid shit about bodybags and coroners. It doesn't make you tough and macho to brag about how bad ass you are and how you'll just blow someone away.

[SDKB]

There also werent any pterodactyls nor monster trucks in the house, should I have mentioned that along with everything that DID NOT happen

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :rofl:

I'm no expert, but if someone breaks into your house with no intent to kill, or no weapon even, and you shoot them... you're going to jail.

Now just waiting for someone to say, "I'd rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6," in 3... 2...

Just curious... I know a lot of you guys are military, but how many of you who swear you'd shoot someone for entering your house have actually drawn a firearm and shot at someone?

[EvilC]

Common, rational sense is to draw on the intruder and say "Do not move" while you call the police. If they run out, they run out. If they advance at you or pull a weapon, fire.

Only a fuckin moron thinks "OH YEHA d00D AwESOmE I Get To UFciN Kill SomeONe!!! LOLOLOL"

I am not a Navy SEAL like half of SCS though so maybe I am just not as tuff.

[Slightly Dangerous]

I am not a Navy SEAL like half of SCS though so maybe I am just not as tuff.

or youre just not as smart.

its called shoot the mutherfucker, walk into your kitchen, pull out the biggest chefs knife you have and put said dead guys fingerprints around it and then lay it on the ground.

[EvilC]

I iz a dumb, sorry. yer plan soundz reel gud and fuolproof.

[Slightly Dangerous]

I iz a dumb, sorry. yer plan soundz reel gud and fuolproof.

beats getting beat with a tire iron and waking up tied to a chair to seeing your chic getting raped.

[Slightly Dangerous]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :rofl:

I'm no expert, but if someone breaks into your house with no intent to kill, or no weapon even, and you shoot them... you're going to jail.


Just curious... I know a lot of you guys are military, but how many of you who swear you'd shoot someone for entering your house have actually drawn a firearm and shot at someone?

that would be me.

oh and your first comment about going to jail if an unarmed person breaks into your home..........

most states would actually pat you on the back. its people in this state who are too fucking backass liberal thinking the intruder actually should have some fucking rights.

[EvilC]

beats getting beat with a tire iron and waking up tied to a chair to seeing your chic getting raped.

Your plan involves illegally shooting an intruder posing no physical threat, then illegally planting evidence and staging a crimescene.....what's it have to do with the above? You are saying the criminal has no rights because he is committing a felony, so you commit a felony? Makes sense.

You're saying if I murder the intruder who just wanted a DVD player.... I remove the threat of getting beat with a tire iron and waking up tied to a chair to seeing my chic getting raped?

[EvilC]

that would be me.

oh and your first comment about going to jail if an unarmed person breaks into your home..........

most states would actually pat you on the back. its people in this state who are too fucking backass liberal thinking the intruder actually should have some fucking rights.

I don't believe anyone here is arguing about what they'd prefer the law stated. Just what it states. Here in CA, don't act like a crazed gun freak and lust after your chance to kill someone. Look at how many " they'll be in a bodybag " responses threads like these get. It's amusing.

[VaderGT]

:pics2:





http://www.americanhealthandbeauty.com/art/spa-girl-abs-towel.JPG
http://www.shanafoster.com/_free/bathtowel01/bath02.jpg

http://www.hotsmallboobs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/summer-smith-creamy-pussy-682x1024.jpg
http://nudemoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/madden-nude-bathtub-hot-blonde-682x1024.jpg

[EvilC]

San Diego is close to having regular citizens be issued CCW's. The last thing we need is psychotic opinions like these. It will just close the door another 20 years.

"If someone steps to me I'll just blow their fucking head off".

Pff.

[Slightly Dangerous]

Your plan involves illegally shooting an intruder posing no physical threat, then illegally planting evidence and staging a crimescene.....what's it have to do with the above?

You're saying if I murder the intruder who just wanted a DVD player.... I remove the threat of getting beat with a tire iron and waking up tied to a chair to seeing my chic getting raped?



while youre right.. burglars typically dont want a confrontation, and would rather take your hard earned shit while youre not there, you cant count on the fact that a frightened burglar would NOT turn into a murderer....and Im sure as fuck not taking that chance.

about planting evidence...cops do it all the time so why cant a normal citizen. what are they going to say?


listen to yourself chris.....an intruder poses no physical threat. lol thats the retarded mentality of people in this state.


hes an INTRUDER....OF COURSE HE IS A THREAT. hes sure as fuck not in your house at 2 am to sell you a set of encyclopedias.

Its my DVD player, he has no right to it, he broke the law by entering my house....so fuck him.


people with that mentality act like he should have any fucking rights, and most of them seem to live here in CA. if this was texas, this thread wouldnt have even gone past the first page.

[EvilC]

Poses and posing. Different.

Despite your multiple assertions so far, I am neither dumb nor retarded.

[VaderGT]

hes an INTRUDER....OF COURSE HE IS A THREAT. hes sure as fuck not in your house at 2 am to sell you a set of encyclopedias.


:rofl:

[Slightly Dangerous]

San Diego is close to having regular citizens be issued CCW's. The last thing we need is psychotic opinions like these. It will just close the door another 20 years.

"If someone steps to me I'll just blow their fucking head off".

Pff.

whos saying people are just going to randomly start getting shot?

lol states in the south dont have that problem and theyve had CCW for fucking ever.

you KNOW to stay out of someone elses bedroom at 2 am. its not fucking rocket science

[EvilC]

Hopefully you're laughing at his error of interpreting my use of the word "posing" as "poses" and not laughing at me Danny.

[Slightly Dangerous]

Poses and posing. Different.

Despite your multiple assertions so far, I am neither dumb nor retarded.

so why do you own a gun chris?

[VaderGT]

The encyclopedia line was funny. Wally is a Funny guy A++++++ will read more Wally jokes.

[EvilC]

None of your fuckin business. Certainly not to shoot someone posing no threat to me though.

[Ramathorn]

I gave all the pertinent facts, the baby was NOT crying, thats why there was no mention of a baby crying. There also werent any pterodactyls nor monster trucks in the house, should I have mentioned that along with everything that DID NOT happen assuming that you would automatically start making up possible scenarios that did not occur but could have?

Your initial post was vague and I presented you with a legal entry based on a viable scenario. You later clarified the child was quiet and inside of the bathroom with the mother. You believe including the status of the child in your first post is as relevant as dinosaurs in a discussion regarding an illegal police entry? Don't go crazy with offering legal advice.

In regards to the discussion taking place above this post.. psychological evaluation for CCWs plz.

[EvilC]

Nothing is more relevant than Pterodactyls, those things will steal your womenz like no other!

[Slightly Dangerous]

None of your fuckin business. Certainly not to shoot someone posing no threat to me though.



roger. just interesting that you think that someone in your home at 2 am doesnt "pose" a threat to you.

[EvilC]

Firearm ownership in California requires that you follow the LETTER of the law.

1. Would I confront the perp, armed? Yes.

2. Would I immediately fire? Can't say. Never been there. I hope I'd make an intelligent decision. If I were being rushed, drawn on, I hope I would. If it were clear they were not armed, were not coming at me, and were not physically threatening me? No. I'd stand my ground. That is what CA requires of me. I have a family to support. I won't feel tough in jail for 30 years because I committed a non justifiable homicide.

I assume you follow ROE when deployed. We have the same here in this State. Surely you can respect that. Do I like the laws? No. Will I respect and follow? Yes.

[SDKB]

Nothing is more relevant than Pterodactyls, those things will steal your womenz like no other!

And, don't challenge him on this. HE HAS VIDEO PROOF!

:rofl:

[EvilC]

And, don't challenge him on this. HE HAS VIDEO PROOF!

:rofl:

I cried for years after losing her :(

[Slightly Dangerous]

The last thing we need is psychotic opinions like these. It will just close the door another 20 years.

"If someone steps to me I'll just blow their fucking head off".

Pff.


psychotic huh? oddly enough, more states DONT have a problem with this than DO. in florida or texas for instance, as long as that person is on your property...they dont even have to be IN the house. and its not really a big concern there.


Poses and posing. Different.

Despite your multiple assertions so far, I am neither dumb nor retarded.

id like to understand the difference between poses and posing, i z a dumbz.

Firearm ownership in California requires that you follow the LETTER of the law.

1. Would I confront the perp, armed? Yes.

2. Would I immediately fire? Can't say. Never been there. I hope I'd make an intelligent decision. If I were being rushed, drawn on, I hope I would. If it were clear they were not armed, were not coming at me, and were not physically threatening me? No. I'd stand my ground. That is what CA requires of me. I have a family to support. I won't feel tough in jail for 30 years because I committed a non justifiable homicide.


you just indicated that youd possibly fire on someone coming at you, but in an above quote you bag on people with a supposed mentality of "someone steps to me im going to blow their head off".

[DarkGT]

My head hurts. When I was on a ride along with San Diego PD a while back, the officer I was with and I responded to an apartment building that was on fire. Like really on fire, not just a dumpster or some stupid shit. We started pounding on doors and myself and some of the officers tried the doors first to see if they were unlocked. By attempting to try and open the door am I guilty of attempted B&E with intent to evacuate?

Second, Wally. I know you are in too far to back down from your position now. If you do ever encounter a situation like you described, I hope that your staged crime scene put together in the midst of what I will assume to be a pretty strong adrenaline rush is air tight, especially since it would be difficult to put the perps finger prints on the drawer the knife was in. Crime scene investigators are pretty good with computers and shit now, it would be a loss to the Navy for you to go to prison.

Chris, thanks for letting me know you arm the alarm when you take a shower. I will just stay outside in the bushes in the future while I watch you.

Solrac, you are making too much sense and I need you to take it down a notch.

Rrobello, I... aw hell nevermind.

Vader, I think you should verify that those girls are of legal age...

I <3 SCS :cheese:

[Slightly Dangerous]

My head hurts. When I was on a ride along with San Diego PD a while back, the officer I was with and I responded to an apartment building that was on fire. Like really on fire, not just a dumpster or some stupid shit. We started pounding on doors and myself and some of the officers tried the doors first to see if they were unlocked. By attempting to try and open the door am I guilty of attempted B&E with intent to evacuate?

Second, Wally. I know you are in too far to back down from your position now. If you do ever encounter a situation like you described, I hope that your staged crime scene put together in the midst of what I will assume to be a pretty strong adrenaline rush is air tight, especially since it would be difficult to put the perps finger prints on the drawer the knife was in. Crime scene investigators are pretty good with computers and shit now, it would be a loss to the Navy for you to go to prison.

Chris, thanks for letting me know you arm the alarm when you take a shower. I will just stay outside in the bushes in the future while I watch you.

Solrac, you are making too much sense and I need you to take it down a notch.

Rrobello, I... aw hell nevermind.

Vader, I think you should verify that those girls are of legal age...

I <3 SCS :cheese:

no youre not guilty of B&E. your body has to physical break the plane of the threshold/door/window.


i dont get too much of an adrenaline rush with that shit any more, yea it affects but not nearly as much as it used to. Ive been shot at plenty of times.

secondly i was totally joking man on that scenario. but to play out devils advocate, I have a butchers block in the kitchen...no drawer to access. but youre right, theres always one little detail you overlook im sure.

cant wait to move back to a state where people dont think youre crazy for wanting to defend your own property...much less your life.

I realize what people on here are saying but my main gripe is with the legislative itself.

[frink84]

Chris, thanks for letting me know you arm the alarm when you take a shower. I will just stay outside in the bushes in the future while I watch you.

i cleared us a spot, with some lawn chairs and a blanket. behind the bushes so hidden from the street
:monkey::monkey::monkey:

[DarkGT]

I realize what people on here are saying but my main gripe is with the legislative itself.

I totally agree. I just wrote Lori Saldana a letter today telling her how stupid AB1934 was and how dissappointed I was that she would propose such a ridiculous bill. It bans the possesion of unloaded exposed firearms in holsters and it just passed the retards in the Public Safety Committee. I told her I am sure she is scared of guns simply because she was ignorant of their operation and safe handling. I offered to give her a handgun safety course and teach her how to shoot. We shall see what she says.

[Slightly Dangerous]

I think my point is, when its the middle of the night and youre awakened to the sound of someone in your bedroom, whats your plan of action? youre groggy, its pitch black. you have no idea whether or not he has a weapon, how do you know he hasnt already slit your wifes throat with a knife.....

but he isnt moving towards you so you dont shoot him. then just walks out of your house. as you call the cops, only to find youre laying in a pool of your wifes blood and could have shot the guy but let him go, cause he didnt "pose" a threat to you.

chris you wanted to go into what if scenarios.....so there you go.

[Slightly Dangerous]

I totally agree. I just wrote Lori Saldana a letter today telling her how stupid AB1934 was and how dissappointed I was that she would propose such a ridiculous bill. It bans the possesion of unloaded exposed firearms in holsters and it just passed the retards in the Public Safety Committee. I told her I am sure she is scared of guns simply because she was ignorant of their operation and safe handling. I offered to give her a handgun safety course and teach her how to shoot. We shall see what she says.

right on. good on you. Im not a resident of this state (Thank goodness) but if I was i would be writing all kinds of people.

[DarkGT]

No. I already shot my wife in a non lethal place to take the hostage out of the equation. Keanu Reeves told me to do that in that hostage instruction video called Speed.

[DarkGT]

right on. good on you. Im not a resident of this state (Thank goodness) but if I was i would be writing all kinds of people.

I get all the NRA-ILA action emails and write to the assembly members and Public Safety Committee members frequently. Fucking asshole dem retards, the whole lot of em.

[frink84]

you wanted to go into what if scenarios.....so there you go.

you are in a dark cavern. you turn the corner and encounter a grue

[midnite]

swat came into my house and disrespected my famiry

[Slightly Dangerous]

you are in a dark cavern. you turn the corner and encounter a grue

if he steps to me............ i blow his fucking head off!!


and what?

pff

[EvilC]

Quit selling drugs then Nick!

[DarkGT]

Quit selling drugs then Nick!

Thoguht he was selling stolen car parts?

[frink84]

Quit selling drugs then Nick!

DVD players were purchased legally. All we've got on Tran and his boys are some low-rent weapons charges and some outstanding speeding tickets. Father bailed them out. Is this the kind of intelligence I can except from you, O'Connor?

[midnite]

i never narc'ed on nobody!

[frink84]

Oh shit! We got cops, cops, cops, cops!

[Slingblade]

I'm going to unlawfully enter your anus. Unannounced. Surprise Cockbag!!!!!!!!!!

[Slightly Dangerous]

I'm going to unlawfully enter your anus. Unannounced. Surprise Cockbag!!!!!!!!!!

youre so gay

[Lil bAre]

I'm going to unlawfully enter your anus. Unannounced. Surprise Cockbag!!!!!!!!!!

Sleeved!!!

[MMCTSV]

i cleared us a spot, with some lawn chairs and a blanket. behind the bushes so hidden from the street
:monkey::monkey::monkey:


Off my koolaid bitches!

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[Jon Burgundy]

Blue steel!

[etnoats]

Danny you are a fail, the fourth chick (although hot) doesn't even have a towel. Don't you pay attention.

If I did own a gun and an intruder was dumb enough to stick around with my 90 lb Akita in his face I would shoot him just to rid him from the gene pool.




Wet soapy chicks in towels are hot.


Back on topic, any updates on invisible shower girl vs. County of San Diego?

[Jon Burgundy]

Last night a nun broke in to my un-locked room. It's a separate entrance room with "chapel" painted on the door. I shot her in the knees. Bitch gonna walk? Please.

[slayr281]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahp8zjSK0X4

[dannywrath]

Unfortunatley burglers dont walk into people's homes with a sign affixed to their shirt saying "HELLO, my name is Derek, im only here to take your xbox." There is no reason you should have to wait till you are subjected to bodily injury to yourself or family in your own home. Its easy for people who havent been put in tight situations to armchair quarter back and be like, "oh, well, what if hes just trying to steal your stereo, does that warrant a death sentence?" I bet if its YOU that hears someone rummaging around in your living room in the middle of the night all that quarterbacking goes away and reality and fear set in real quick.

In an ideal world you would come face to face with your attacker, he would pull out a gun and you would shoot him before he shoots you like something out of Tombstone. Things in those kind of real life situations dont tend to happen like they do in the movies. If someone is your house, unauthorized you should be able to defend yourself to the fullest extent possible, it doesnt matter if that shithead is there to take your money, stab you in the heart, or fuck your goldfish. I dont consider it a "felony" to kill someone who breaks into your home, I consider it self defense even if he/she wasnt activley pointing a gun at you. If you break into someone's home you are playing with fire, and when you play with fire you get burned.

Maybe if more of these B&E guys got shot instead of being cycled through the legal system over and over again, a little of our crime rate would go down. Thats my .02cents

[dannywrath]

Damn my internet here in Arkansas sucks. It only loaded this thread to page four then once I put my reply I it loaded the last two pages and now I realize this thread has derailed, followed by my serious reply lol. Great

[EvilC]

Danny- I'm not quarterbacking. The debate was over current law. I got amused by all the tough gun talk.

[mjmorgan169v]

i still want to see this towel wearing women that was aforementioned. i cant bmo to just a mental pic.

[Jon Burgundy]

I'm choking myself out right now because I disagree with California Liberalication.

[enorbit3]

My head hurts. When I was on a ride along with San Diego PD a while back, the officer I was with and I responded to an apartment building that was on fire. Like really on fire, not just a dumpster or some stupid shit. We started pounding on doors and myself and some of the officers tried the doors first to see if they were unlocked. By attempting to try and open the door am I guilty of attempted B&E with intent to evacuate?

Second, Wally. I know you are in too far to back down from your position now. If you do ever encounter a situation like you described, I hope that your staged crime scene put together in the midst of what I will assume to be a pretty strong adrenaline rush is air tight, especially since it would be difficult to put the perps finger prints on the drawer the knife was in. Crime scene investigators are pretty good with computers and shit now, it would be a loss to the Navy for you to go to prison.

Chris, thanks for letting me know you arm the alarm when you take a shower. I will just stay outside in the bushes in the future while I watch you.

Solrac, you are making too much sense and I need you to take it down a notch.

Rrobello, I... aw hell nevermind.

Vader, I think you should verify that those girls are of legal age...

I <3 SCS :cheese:

this post is so full of win. i commend u sir.

[Kitana]

Honestly, I just think the stupid chick should thank her lucky stars that it was the sheriffs that opened her unlocked door, entered her house, and gave her time to put on her towel to get out of the shower. What if it was John Gardner instead? Regardless of guns and shooting intruders, what she did was dumb and hopefully she's learned her lesson.

[Slightly Dangerous]

Unfortunatley burglers dont walk into people's homes with a sign affixed to their shirt saying "HELLO, my name is Derek, im only here to take your xbox." There is no reason you should have to wait till you are subjected to bodily injury to yourself or family in your own home. Its easy for people who havent been put in tight situations to armchair quarter back and be like, "oh, well, what if hes just trying to steal your stereo, does that warrant a death sentence?" I bet if its YOU that hears someone rummaging around in your living room in the middle of the night all that quarterbacking goes away and reality and fear set in real quick.

In an ideal world you would come face to face with your attacker, he would pull out a gun and you would shoot him before he shoots you like something out of Tombstone. Things in those kind of real life situations dont tend to happen like they do in the movies. If someone is your house, unauthorized you should be able to defend yourself to the fullest extent possible, it doesnt matter if that shithead is there to take your money, stab you in the heart, or fuck your goldfish. I dont consider it a "felony" to kill someone who breaks into your home, I consider it self defense even if he/she wasnt activley pointing a gun at you. If you break into someone's home you are playing with fire, and when you play with fire you get burned.

Maybe if more of these B&E guys got shot instead of being cycled through the legal system over and over again, a little of our crime rate would go down. Thats my .02cents

you cant say that shit bro.....

thats tough gun talk.

[master_1011]

That isn't castle doctrine buddy.

CA case law:

"[People v. Ceballos] specifically held that burglaries which 'do not reasonably create a fear of great bodily harm' are not sufficient 'cause for exaction of human life.'”

PURE Castle Doctrine is they come in, you can kill them. CA is Stand Your Ground, which is weaker since you must prove you were facing great bodily harm or death.

Some geniuses here think you can just blow someone away if they enter your home. Enjoy prison unless you can prove the above. Don't give retarded advice to people. That's what makes States make asinine gun laws, because many gun owners have zero common sense and say stupid shit about bodybags and coroners. It doesn't make you tough and macho to brag about how bad ass you are and how you'll just blow someone away.

People v. Ceballos was in 1974.

California Penal code 198.5 was inacted in 1984...ten years later.

I have every right to "blow someone away" if they enter my house un-lawfully.

I apologize for my half serious post after nekid pictures...continue.

[rrobello]

Honestly, I just think the stupid chick should thank her lucky stars that it was the sheriffs that opened her unlocked door, entered her house, and gave her time to put on her towel to get out of the shower. What if it was John Gardner instead? Regardless of guns and shooting intruders, what she did was dumb and hopefully she's learned her lesson.

dumb or not, it doesnt change the fact that what the cops did was illegal and an invasion of her privacy, so why should she be thankful?

and locks arent going to stop anyone who wants to get in

and how does anyone one of us know why she didnt lock her door, what if it was a simple mistake? no one here makes mistakes? I dont always lock my door.

[El Presidente]

I dont always lock my door.

the back door is always open :wink3:

[EvilC]

Alarm ftw. I don't know what the dB level of our siren is but it has to be at least 10 higher than a car alarm. Also have a radio backup and phone line cut trigger. It's going to take a determined person to stay in the house when a modern system goes off. If they can find the siren in the dark and disable, its already dialed or radioed out and I am awake. Not too worried about the "omg your wife had her throat slit while you slept!" scenario. We also have a keyed lock and inside lever lock on the damn bedroom door. Only way through that is to kick it down. I guess I'll sleep through that too!! A thief isn't going to bother with a pain in the house like mine in Santee. No $100,000,000 sacks of diamonds here to make it worth the planning.

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[DarkGT]

Chris, do you have point to point laser or IR in a double helical pattern running down the inside of your chimney? Didn't think so. You better put a kensington lock on that TV, I am taking that shit reverse Santa Clause style. And I will open and drink only 3 sips of your last beer and leave the rest in plain sight to taunt you!

[EvilC]

Mark my house EXPLODES when the alarm is tripped. I am making damn sure you die for breaking the plane! Once out of the chimney, oops motion sensed! Of course I have one in THAT room!

Take the TV, ready for a new one!

[DarkGT]

Ah you got the exploding house option from ADT huh.. /thread I thought about that but didn't want to spend the extra $3.99 a month. I mean really, its like an extended warranty...

[etnoats]

Hijackitus threadosous

[rrobello]

we have the Rockstar to warn us before anyone even gets on our street! lol

[mjmorgan169v]

What if it was John Gardner instead?
now that would be a serious concern, since that mother fucker is in prison. lol. i cant say anything about anyone locking doors. our bedrooms are all upstairs and we have renters insurance. our door is almost never locked. if i wake up and my tv is gone, im just gonna tell statefarm it was a 65 inch plasma and i need a new one. lol. oh, and my roommates throat was slit, so i also need a new room mate.

[DarkGT]

I just spit coke all over my keyboard when I read the last sentence.

[DarkGT]

I heard that John Gardner hired rrobello as his new counsel an got the charges thrown out due to rrobellos expertise in the legality of the collection of evidence and the fourth ammendment.

[EvilC]

I heard that John Gardner hired rrobello as his new counsel an got the charges thrown out due to rrobellos expertise in the legality of the collection of evidence and the fourth ammendment.

:rofl:

[EvilC]

. lol. oh, and my roommates throat was slit, so i also need a new room mate.

Make sure you plant the knife.....

[MXPX GT]

I love this thread. It has everything from cops to naked women to suprise buttsex!!!!:nod:

[mjmorgan169v]

awaiting pterodactly porn......3.....2.........1.........

[mjmorgan169v]

I heard that John Gardner hired rrobello as his new counsel an got the charges thrown out due to rrobellos expertise in the legality of the collection of evidence and the fourth ammendment.

gardner has been released, now geitner and acorn are the main suspects in the case along with several correspondants of msnbc.

[dvs94cobra]

I'm here for the legal counsel.

[TB Bullitt]

free post

[at6svo]

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[mjmorgan169v]

I love this thread. It has everything from cops to naked women to suprise buttsex!!!!:nod:

also murder, insurance fraud, and totally legit legal counel, and some not so legit legal counsel.

[DarkGT]

Dare I say epic thread status?

[mjmorgan169v]

yeah this has definately worthy of epic thread status. i have to say, usually you can see these coming, this one was a total sleeper.

[rrobello]

my threads deliver!

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[VP_07SRT8]

nudez or fail

[SanDiego01Snake]

This is a great thread.